tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post2640234406639842428..comments2023-11-05T00:52:41.562-07:00Comments on EPCOT Central: A Mom's Thoughts On EPCOTEpcot82http://www.blogger.com/profile/14763893513279437902noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-89982499206145861872012-10-03T07:29:24.049-07:002012-10-03T07:29:24.049-07:00Best andkon games at giogamer.com<a href="http://giogamer.com/" rel="nofollow">Best andkon games at giogamer.com</a>http://giogamer.comhttp://giogamer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-81276844140877061042012-09-26T16:21:45.521-07:002012-09-26T16:21:45.521-07:00Only best cool math games 4 games at giogamer.com<a href="http://giogamer.com/" rel="nofollow">Only best cool math games 4 games at giogamer.com</a>Gio Gamerhttp://giogamer.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-45890239529940584842012-08-08T23:24:47.688-07:002012-08-08T23:24:47.688-07:00It's great to stay here especially holidays wi...It's great to stay here especially holidays with my family.<br />Thanks,<br /><br /><a href="http://www.mountkailashtrips.com/fixed-departure-tour.html/" rel="nofollow">Kailash Mansarovar 2012</a> | <a href="http://www.mountkailashtrips.com/" rel="nofollow">Kailash Mansarovar Tour</a> | <a href="http://www.mountkailashtrips.com/15daysmountkailashyatra.php/" rel="nofollow">mt kailash yatra</a> | <a href="http://www.mountkailashtrips.com/about-kailashmansarovar-yatra.html/" rel="nofollow">Kailash Yatra</a> | <a href="http://www.mountkailashtrips.com/tour-packages.html/" rel="nofollow">Mount Kailash</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10627568802009663779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-16930521418004813382012-06-02T21:18:21.727-07:002012-06-02T21:18:21.727-07:00I really dreamed about EPCOT and wanna spend Holi...I really dreamed about EPCOT and wanna spend <a href="http://www.babywheelsorlando.com/blog/unique-holiday-fun-at-disney.html" rel="nofollow">Holiday fun in Disney</a>.annehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15141612086129204762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-71259713832161677092011-07-18T11:53:15.129-07:002011-07-18T11:53:15.129-07:00@Spokker
Never mind kids, they think the American...@Spokker<br /><br />Never mind kids, they think the American public in general is composed of idiots.<br /><br />The joke's on them, as the park is deserted, the average visitor is well into middle age and NOT bringing younger relatives, and meanwhile "nerdfest" Wizarding World of Harry Potter at Islands of Adventure is full to capacity on weekdays.<br /><br />I hate to keep harping on Islands of Adventure (and it's not perfect by any means) but they seem to me to do a lot right that Disney can't seem to manage.<br /><br />Which is a shame because it seems like there is a niche for "all-ages entertainment" as opposed to what Islands of Adventure is providing, a very teen to young adult oriented park with borderline dangerous rides.<br /><br />There are tons of great science museums, horticultural gardens, state parks, aquaria, and zoos in Florida which are much, much cheaper than Disney, not to mention more education, less patronizing, and more fun for kids. I would recommend Homosassa State Park where you can watch real manatees feeding.not a gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-65354899549755022522011-07-18T11:39:38.764-07:002011-07-18T11:39:38.764-07:00Seriously? Take your kids to the science museum in...Seriously? Take your kids to the science museum in Fort Lauderdale. Much cheaper, kids'll love it and the dining options that night will be better, too.not a gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-81121207367547593452010-06-03T05:40:26.443-07:002010-06-03T05:40:26.443-07:00"now a days poeple want thrill rides and less..."now a days poeple want thrill rides and less education."<br /><br />The common perceptions about what people want and how things really are in the world are usually wrong. For example, 75% of Americans believe that crime is going up and getting worse, according to surveys. However, statistics have shown a long-term downward trend in crime throughout the country. Another example is that many Americans believe illegal immigration is ruining the country. The best studies show that there is probably not a huge impact positively or negatively. It's a real issue, to be sure, but the outrage is not proportional to the net result. What would most people say when asked which state downloads the most porn? California? New York? Actually, it's Utah. <br /><br />But one of my biggest pet peeves is this idea, so astutely stated by Franco, that Americans are not interested in education. They are not interested in learning. Kids are mindless drones that exist only to be molded by commercial interests, flashy colors and derivative entertainment. <br /><br />As is usually the case, this assumption is dead wrong. A cursory glance at the top 1000 web sites according to Google shows that Wikipedia is number four, with 390 million unique visitors per month. A closer look at the most popular Wikipedia entries include historical events, entries about specific countries, and historical figures. Abraham Lincoln made the top 25 for 2009. Clearly, Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln ought to be shuttered forever.<br /><br />Every month, millions of pages about math, science and history are served up. The arts get a good look. William Shakespeare is in the top 100. And yes, you'll find plenty of traffic for entertainment figures. <br /><br />The fact of the matter is that education is more popular now than it ever has been. More people are going to college than ever before. Woman outnumber men in universities these days.<br /><br />Don't let the 24 hour news networks fool you, people are smarter and more curious than they ever have been. There's a demand for learning and Disney is missing the boat.Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-4472390181544347742010-04-09T08:40:39.651-07:002010-04-09T08:40:39.651-07:00I will admit that its sad to hear that everything ...I will admit that its sad to hear that everything you remembered was gone or changed. That fact of the matter is that you have to change and grow if you want Disney to remain #1. the things that were once fun and thrilling arent so much now a days, now a days poeple want thrill rides and less education.Franconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-63983760263374380362010-04-03T06:31:39.016-07:002010-04-03T06:31:39.016-07:00Epcot was redesigned by people who gradually begun...Epcot was redesigned by people who gradually begun to believe that American children are idiots.<br /><br />That myth needs to die a horrible, painful death.Spokkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03244298044953214810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-90659276529241218392010-02-02T13:16:25.936-08:002010-02-02T13:16:25.936-08:00The truth is that our family is quite serious, alt...The truth is that our family is quite serious, although we like fun as well.<br /><br />When we first visited Orlando we were afraid everything would be a bit too silly.<br /><br />EPCOT Center was the perfect antidote to that. I was amazed that somewhere could exist which had just the right combination of education and fun.<br /><br />Somehow, I always knew it wouldn't last, and that people would want to try and make it more popular.Andy JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15819413906544791899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-24880573481272368082010-01-24T23:15:36.702-08:002010-01-24T23:15:36.702-08:00I'm sorry, but the comments suggesting you can...I'm sorry, but the comments suggesting you can't take a 3 month old on Energy are just, dare I say, boneheaded comments. Likely made by people who've never had kids, and who apparently don't like them very much. Babies have all the mental awareness we do, with none of the experience to make the connections we do. They're still humans that respond to aesthetics, sounds and smells. I don't understand this argument that basically suggests that children or infants are the equivalent of dimwits on Thorazine, but I think it's a tired and baseless argument.<br /><br />And what was the unrealistic experience, exactly, are we talking about? The expectation that she would being taking her kids on the same <b>type</b> of attractions she used to ride? Because that's the point she made. That's not an unrealistic expectation. That's the expectation Disney got us used to for decades on end.Digital Jedihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02374739586203788564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-1707224227591271902010-01-07T10:48:49.034-08:002010-01-07T10:48:49.034-08:00If everyone in the world always shared the same op...If everyone in the world always shared the same opinion the world would be a pretty dull place. :)Khrystienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-54874145766953258712010-01-07T08:33:24.512-08:002010-01-07T08:33:24.512-08:00one last thought, Khrystie. thanks for being a go...one last thought, Khrystie. thanks for being a good sport. you obviously took time to compose a thoughtful letter, and bravely allowed it to be posted. hopefully you don't take anything i've written personally.<br /><br />I too liked EPCOT when i was 16, and it's still my favorite. I don't think all (most?) of the changes/additions have been good to the extent they didn't necessarily enhance my experience! <br /><br />SQVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-61692778952152173752010-01-07T08:17:00.847-08:002010-01-07T08:17:00.847-08:00"My point was that the park used to be a plac..."My point was that the park used to be a place where entire families could enjoy a day together."<br /><br />I don't entirely disagree with the emotional response - i.e. missing the EPCOT you remember and I do appreciate/share that feeling to some degree. however, an argument can be made - indeed, I believe it's the Disney corporation's rationale - that EPCOT *is* for families.... just families with children older than 3 months. <br /><br />It's interesting you note that EPCOT *was* an ideal place for families to spend time together. i got slammed b/c I said I appreciated (or liked?) Kim Possible b/c it was something that a my niece(age 7) and her mother were able to enjoy together, and it didn't invovle fast passes, or 90 second rides. never said it "fit" in EPCOT, only that as an attraction that allowed younger children - and their parents - to enjoy the park too seemed worthwhile. witnessing their experience (they liked it! Oh no!!!), i find it hard to reconcile that an attraction like KP (or whatever it's named) fails to be a good thing... while, a 3-month-old infant being startled by loud noises somehow indicates a failing of the park. <br /><br />SQVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-78475761933534296312010-01-07T07:54:38.321-08:002010-01-07T07:54:38.321-08:00My point was that the park used to be a place wher...My point was that the park used to be a place where entire families could enjoy a day together. It was not meant as a complaint that there is nothing appropriate for infants - it just happened that we took our kids there thinking that it would be the best park for us to be able to enjoy the day with them, their grandparents and their great-grandparents. It's for loving EPCOT for what it used to be - a place where people of all ages could go on every ride together and actually LEARN while doing it. Long, dark rides that didn't rely on cheap tricks or sound effects to capture people's hearts. Entertainment doesn't always have to be thrilling.Khrystienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-5398038983895693732010-01-05T14:57:54.982-08:002010-01-05T14:57:54.982-08:00Babies can get a lot out of the parks, however I w...Babies can get a lot out of the parks, however I wouldn't take them on anything that's too long or loud. My daughter loved POTC from age 6mo-18mo, after which she went through the "scared" period, now at 3 she loves it again. I know people who refuse to take their kids to WDW until they are 7 or 8, thinking they won't get enough out of it until then. I think that is just ridiculous.<br /><br />As for the letter, I agree completely. There's a whole "market" of smart people out there, Disney. You would be wise to respect our wants and not just cater to the idiocracy crowd. (And FYI there's nothing smart about Baby Einstein.)Flerghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04101463542972261369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-11733150874230027642010-01-05T10:51:25.808-08:002010-01-05T10:51:25.808-08:00"Young children are fascinated by sounds, col..."Young children are fascinated by sounds, colors and lights."<br /><br />again, Mom never said her infant daughter was "terrified" (her word) by sounds, colors, or lights (though, the lever of the sound, maybe). nor did Mom say infant daughter was scared by textures, animals, or plants (you failed to specify dinosaurs... they're animals though, right?).<br /><br />you and others seem to want to make this a debate about child development. Mom was lamenting the lack of appropriate rides... for an infant... at EPCOT. and you're amazed by my comment???<br /><br />SQVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-39229043790750792582010-01-05T10:36:14.710-08:002010-01-05T10:36:14.710-08:00".. all the comments about bringing a baby ch...".. all the comments about bringing a baby child to a disney park, ride or experience and complaning is just very close to stupidity. A 3 months old baby at Epcot ? yes sure..... why not try bring a new-born next time ? I am really shocked to read this..."<br /><br />check your shock at the door and don't get distracted. my comment was directed at Mom's argument - that EPCOT had devolved, degraded, slid to something less than what she remembered - was based on the experience of a 3-month-old child. not slamming her conclusion (er... opinion), but her methodology!<br /><br />she surely wasn't 3 mos when she developed all those great memories. I'd be *shocked* (!!!) if any kid at 3 mos didn't get startled by the 45 minute noisefest in the dark with monsters (aka Energy).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-59515299495561573092010-01-03T10:25:50.083-08:002010-01-03T10:25:50.083-08:00My take:
http://JimmyBoi2.wordpress.comMy take:<br />http://JimmyBoi2.wordpress.comJimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11346973513563833511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-34931083871678357232009-12-31T11:18:30.083-08:002009-12-31T11:18:30.083-08:00Good letter. I've been to WDW many times with ...Good letter. I've been to WDW many times with my kids, at various ages.<br /><br />To SQV and all the others who seem to believe we should keep our children strapped into their Fisher Price bouncy seats until they're fourteen... Young children are fascinated by sounds, colors and lights. A one-year old is capable of appreciating colors and animals, plants, textures, and sounds. I would never take a 3 month old to a Disney park for their sake - but I would for my own. <br />I'm amazed at the ignorance of those who are so quick to judge others. An infant can benefit simply from being outside on a nice day, enjoying the bright colors and music and the activity bustling around them. I know what limitations my children have and greatly try to avoid "inconveniencing" others with a screaming child. <br />It's sad that some posters seem to underestimate the intelligence level of small children and therefore find no use in exposing them to the world around us. Disney is brilliant in it's design. If you are a parent that has no concept of what children of any age find fascinating, then stay home. That's okay. Some of us will have the Imagineers of tomorrow. And some day your kids will be paying their 40-hour wages to see what it is that our kids have done.Sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-28151413402552092842009-12-26T22:40:26.277-08:002009-12-26T22:40:26.277-08:00Hello there, if I can share some of the nostalgia ...Hello there, if I can share some of the nostalgia of this letter and of the feeling of this person, all the comments about bringing a baby child to a disney park, ride or experience and complaning is just very close to stupidity. A 3 months old baby at Epcot ? yes sure..... why not try bring a new-born next time ? I am really shocked to read this.....Sebastiennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-20694291043809614492009-12-21T14:39:53.883-08:002009-12-21T14:39:53.883-08:00Amazing letter. I feel exactly the same. Thanks!Amazing letter. I feel exactly the same. Thanks!D R E W Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944599165792007606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-30788297918345479362009-12-18T12:56:35.250-08:002009-12-18T12:56:35.250-08:00Sorry, but it sounds to me like someone needs a re...Sorry, but it sounds to me like someone needs a reality check. Like a previous poster said before, "but why the the hell would you take a 3 month old on Energy??". She sounds like one of those clueless parents that can't figure out what rides are age appropriate. Does she also bring her baby to rated R movies in the theater because she can't find a babysitter?<br /><br />A 3 month old isn't even old enough to enjoy Fantasyland in Magic kingdom and yet she thinks Epcot is a good place to bring her daughter? Then she mentions later that she recently took her 10 month old son to Epcot. Yikes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-4049693006355629422009-12-17T00:37:23.281-08:002009-12-17T00:37:23.281-08:00Oh, and BTW, if you've ever seen a 1 1/2 year ...Oh, and BTW, if you've ever seen a 1 1/2 year old kid get infatuated with the displays at science centers, then you know it's very possible and something that should be expected. If a kid's not into cartoons, he's not into cartoons. If he likes looking at fish, that's another story ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23143199.post-69511533929129855032009-12-17T00:36:11.772-08:002009-12-17T00:36:11.772-08:00At three months, most babies would probably be abl...At three months, most babies would probably be able to take the average ride in stride -- say, "Pirates of the Caribbean," "The Haunted Mansion" or a dark ride. And while the dinosaurs are certainly scary, they wouldn't register with most infants, who have no understanding or comprehension of what they are.<br /><br />No, I think Khrystie was referring to the overwhelming sonic levels of UoE, and I agree with her completely.<br /><br />I'm not a big fan of taking babies to theme parks, but if you can keep them comfortable and not irritate other people, then great. If the RIDES are what's causing the kid to react, though, then to a large degree it IS the design of the rides. A baby would have been able to take "Adventures Thru Inner Space" or "Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland" (purely as examples) in stride, but "Star Tours" and "Big Thunder"? Nope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com